Is there still racism in medical education?

In a recent BMJ podcast interview Clare Owen , director of the Medical Schools Council, discusses racism in medical education with Victor Adebowale , chair of the NHS Confederation ### Biographies Clare Owen is director of policy at the Medical Schools Council. Her work focuses on medical education, and over the past 10 years she has led a programme to widen participation in medicine. Victor Adebowale has been chair of the NHS Confederation since April 2020 and is former chief executive of Turning Point, a social enterprise. A crossbench peer since 2001, he has led commissions on mental health and housing and is co-chair of the BMJ Commission on the Future of the NHS. He holds an MA in advanced organisational consulting and serves as chancellor at the University of Lincoln and as a leadership coach. VA: We’re talking at a time when DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] is under attack. Lots of people are saying that it’s a waste of money, even in the health services. Why is it importa

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